Some bands are outlined by way of a unmarried voice or device, be it the frontman, the guitarist, bassist or drummer. Queens of the Stone Age are a band the place regardless of which means you lean, there’s a wealth of inspiration to be discovered. It’s a singular sound that holds the Holy Grail of concurrently interesting to fanatics of each and every device, in addition to generating precise songs that individuals can sing in conjunction with.
However, there’s indubitably that Queens of the Stone Age is each bit a drummer’s band. One who has had a robust pedigree of other people conserving down the groove. However for 10 years, Jon Theodore has now not best held it down — faithfully adopting the types of the drummers who got here earlier than him — but in addition placing his personal stamp on one among recent rock’s best-loved catalogues, whilst additionally contributing to its endured evolution.
Jon Theodore’s front into QOTSA was once fast, changing Joey Castillo on the tail finish of the recording periods for …Like Clockwork — the band’s 5th album that might start a trilogy of QOTSA data for Matador Information. “Troy referred to as me to mention that I will have to come down” he advised us in 2014. “I used to be like, ‘I’ll be proper there’. I introduced my drums over in my truck and had an inventory of tunes to be told…”
Classes for the album had all however wrapped, with Theodore arriving in time to chop drums at the name monitor. 10 years on, and he now has two full-lengths to his title with the band: 2017’s Villains, with pop manufacturer, Mark Ronson on the helm, and this ’s triumphant go back, In Occasions New Roman…
The latter was once produced by way of the band themselves, with — by way of his personal admission — a palpable distinction in sound and really feel between the 2. Each conserving equivalent benefit, the previous was once a closely subtle workout in sonic and association perfection, whilst making the latter, consistent with Theodore was once like ‘going into the basement for band follow within the 90s.”
With QOTSA’s The Finish is Nero excursion these days rolling thru Europe like a drop-tuned juggernaut, we stuck up with Jon Theodore to take inventory at the final decade and to find out why he’s fallen again in love with conventional wooden drums, how Queens of the Stone Age feels “like house” and why he’d make a selection to shoot Dave Grohl’s intro from Music For The Useless into area…
It’s been 10 years and 3 album cycles because you joined QOTSA, how do you’re feeling you’ve advanced over this time?
“On a private stage, I believe love it’s been a truly, tremendous cool evolution. After enjoying drums my complete lifestyles just about, so that you could soar proper into a complete other ocean. Once I joined the band, Like Clockwork was once just about completed, we simply did one monitor [with me drumming].
“I mainly began by way of going from being keen on the band to in fact finding out easy methods to play the whole lot from the primary six data. So it was once truly eye-opening to form of inhabit each and every vibe and sounds from all of the drummers which were earlier than me.
“It was once a truly nice probability for me to increase my horizons in some way that I most likely do not have if it wasn’t a part of the important necessities to be within the band. I’d say, going from finding out the whole lot to in fact counting the band in and beginning to play it on degree in entrance of the fanatics — who at that time knew it higher than I did — it is a lovely eye opening revel in, simply to leap proper in.
“Once we did Villains, that was once the primary time I truly were given to revel in the recording procedure with the band. In a lot the similar means as when I used to be simply finding out all of the subject material, it was once an overly steep finding out curve.
“By the point it got here time to do In Occasions New Roman…, I believe like I used to be ready to take all that have of recording, enjoying presentations, truly attending to gel with the remainder of the band and the personalities, and truly channel it in some way that, for the primary time felt like I may truly be myself on this framework of being a Queen, you recognize?
“Issues which are difficult and profitable take numerous time. I have for sure put my time in at this level and I am in any case ready to roughly, now not take a seat again, however a minimum of experience it. I am truly having like extra amusing now than I have ever had in those previous 10 years.”
It appears like In Occasions New Roman… presentations off more than one facets of your enjoying that fanatics of your different initiatives will probably be aware of too…
“Yeah, I love to play up to conceivable, in as many alternative eventualities as conceivable, simply because I really like paying attention to a wide variety of tune. So each probability I am getting – it is like, if I will play tune with any individual, that is much more significant than simply a standard friendship.
“So, I am all the time looking to have that interplay. However yeah, I believe like every the ones different reviews indubitably stick with you eternally. It simply provides for your form of repertoire and your body of reference. It simply enriches the fabric from which you’ll draw when you find yourself running on stuff. It will give you a larger palette, extra colors to paintings with.
You’re the 5th drummer within the band. Do you continue to view the other eras as ‘This can be a Gene Trautmann section, or a Dave Grohl or Joey Castillo section’? Or does it really feel extra like your individual now?
“Smartly, I believe in some way, I roughly like inhabit…as an alternative of it being a psychological or cerebral factor, I have been like internalising it through the years. So I believe at this level I have normalised maximum issues into my very own form of means.
“I play the whole lot from my very own vantage level at this level. I believe through the years, I have most likely internalised the sides of each different drummer’s means that I believe are essentially the most significant, or those that I will in fact honour with my means.
“In the beginning, it was once actual cerebral, and I truly had to check out and modify to check out and approximate the other types. However now, it is like finding out the ones drummers so moderately has roughly helped me import the portions in their means that I will truly establish and hook up with and upload them to mine. So now it is like one giant, roughly large robotic manufactured from everyone.”
Josh Homme is a brilliant drummer, however the factor that makes him so nice is that he approaches drums like any individual who does not play drums.
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Used to be there a specific music which predates your time within the band, that was once a problem or a extra alien taste to what you had been used to?
“The way in which I means issues, each unmarried notice that is ever been performed earlier than me is its personal distinctive problem. My function is to truly get into it so deeply that I will that I will attempt to in fact, pay attention what the ones avid gamers had been listening to in order that I will truly honour it.
“To that finish, I did not prioritise any individual or technology over some other. All of them introduced their very own distinctive demanding situations, and I handled all of them with the similar stage of recognize and honour that I may. I simply roughly jumped into all of it and attempted to cherish to do the most productive I may in each scenario.
“So that is the reality, one thing that you’d imagine quite simple, did not all the time really feel more practical to me. Each and every facet of [QOTSA’s catalogue] gifts its personal set of demanding situations, so it is like a by no means finishing roughly problem. It is amusing. I nonetheless have to check out, you recognize? Not anything is truly that 2nd nature.”
In a similar way, is there a music or section because you joined that you’re feeling represents your enjoying the most productive?
“I do not know, that is laborious to mention. As a result of I believe like they are all like, my little kids. I really like them fascinated by other causes. I really like a few of them as a result of it is a model of me that I’d by no means have the ability to get admission to with out the enter of those guys.
“Different ones I believe sound extra naturally like what I’d do if I used to be by myself. I believe all of In Occasions New Roman…, kind of. This new report is indubitably my favorite. The primary reason why is as it was once in any case some extent the place we had been doing complete takes.
“Once I pay attention to it, it feels like you are status within the room subsequent to us. There is a very restricted selection of overdubs, there is only some songs that took greater than two or 3 takes, so it appears like an actual go back to the roots of what were given me keen on making tune within the first position.
“It’s like the best way that we used to make tune again within the day, when there was once simply tape machines. You needed to be just right sufficient to only minimize the music, after which if it wasn’t nice, you needed to do it once more till you were given it proper.
“I believe like, particularly on this technology of computerised the whole lot, the place you’ll repair the whole lot, it was once an actual form of non-public triumph so that you could get to where the place I felt assured sufficient so that you could be free within the second.
“There is numerous issues that came about on the ones takes for the primary time, whilst the tape was once rolling. We had been so all over the place each and every different synergistically that it truly sounds particular to me. So I suppose I’d say the entire new report.”
How did that means of running examine to creating Villains with Mark Ronson at the back of the table?
“It was once the other, in numerous tactics. In Occasions New Roman… was once just about simply us. For Villains we had Mark Ronson, and we had Mark Rankin. So there have been all the time more than one different inputs.
“We did some unorthodox recording ways, like monitoring the drums with out the cymbals. It was once truly the primary time I would ever approached creating a report that means. We truly hyper-produced that report. So it was once much like hyper-vigilant. It wasn’t free in anyway, it was once very calculated.
“We spent such a lot time opting for drums, opting for heads, transferring drums from room to room, switching studios. We had been all the time chasing down this type of perfection. Each and every drum was once thought to be, each room was once thought to be and we constructed each music from the bottom up. Which bass drum, which snare drum, which rack tom, no cymbals…
“Then, so far as writing and arranging, each unmarried ‘I’ was once dotted and ’T’ was once crossed, and we did 100 takes of all of the songs. We simply performed it into the bottom till it was once as best as lets get it, and that did one thing tremendous cool.
“In Occasions New Roman… was once the exact opposite. We had been like, ‘That is us. The sector is gonna finish, let’s simply flip those lighting off and feature at it’. That was once so freeing. In order that they had been lovely polar reverse in relation to means.”
We were not spending 1000’s of bucks an afternoon on a truly fancy studio the place Jay-Z’s within the different room or no matter.
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That comes thru, even within the sound of the package, they are much larger, with extra tone and resonance…
“Yeah, on Villains we had been placing baffling between the drums in order that each and every mic was once completely remoted, there have been no cymbals. On In Occasions New Roman… I believe, some of the tunes there have been like, 3 mics at the drums. I will’t consider which one it was once. However yeah, we simply took the other means and it was once refreshing.”
It’s arguably a extra riff-y album, and QOTSA drum portions frequently apply and weave across the riffs intently. Obscenery does this, then opens up into the straighter, off-beat experience trend. How did that come about?
“That verse beat was once Josh’s thought. He is were given this loopy idiosyncratic technique to drums. He truly thinks about it. He is a super drummer, however the factor that makes him so nice is that he approaches drums like any individual who does not play drums. So he is not ever limited by way of the ones form of ‘requirements’.
“He had the speculation for the verse beat that we labored out. For essentially the most section, the best way we means it’s each and every one among us goes to be like a piston within the motor. We are all going to get explicit sufficient about our portions that after we put all of it in combination it locks up. That is what’s particular about this band, I believe.
“In order that section, in case you pay attention to it on its own is more or less elemental and roughly kooky. However while you put it in combination in juxtaposition with the guitar riff after which the bassline, it makes this cool popcorn that appears like a motor.
“So in an instant after we began down that street, it locked itself in lovely temporarily. There is numerous permutations in there that I simply kicked up right through the take that had been rather off stability.
“Then the refrain groove kicking in, it is laborious to make the soar conceptually to love, the ‘tang and the hump’ – the experience bell, you recognize?! However as soon as you’re making the dedication to it, then you definitely’ve gotta pass all of the means in.
“In the beginning we had been messing round with simply crashing it, after which the use of a , after which it become transparent that it needed to be that offbeat experience factor. When we were given there, it was once lovely simple. Then the best way the ones choruses roughly double-time themselves is a fab method to make a variation in what would usually simply be a disco beat.
“To not point out, I used some truly tremendous wackadoodle tiny hi-hats that I had no stand for, so I simply put them on a stand off by way of the ground tom. I locked them down, closed tremendous tight. I used to be like, ‘Let me do this!’
“Then inside an hour of attempting that, we had recorded it. That opened this chance my mind. It was once totally unrehearsed, it was once simply one thing that came about within the second and it ended up opening up this channel in me that made one thing come down that was once distinctive within the second.”
Damaging Area feels like numerous amusing to play, is that you just attending to unharness your interior Bonham just a little bit?
“Oh, yeah dude! Once more, it was once Josh’s was once thought to play at the rim, as an alternative of a hi-hat. know. Once you exchange the body of reference, simply rather, it totally deconstructs the whole lot. So abruptly there is all this area in between most of these backbeats to do regardless of the fuck I would like with the bass drum.
“I form of knew, usually what the beat was once intended to be like, however I did not truly know the association in my mind whilst we had been monitoring it. So I used to be simply roughly reacting and feeling my means during the verses.
“The verses had been roughly free-styling. However we had truly locked that refrain beat down. Identical factor, it simply got here up in no time. I simply need to faux that like I am not simply looking to be John Bonham!”
The way in which the drums kick in on Time and Position totally turn the place you assume the downbeat is. How did that come about?
“Smartly, that is my favorite factor about Queens, there is numerous moments that occur like that, and that one got here from a demo that Josh made. He was once like, ‘Right here, take a look at this out. I made this demo.’ after which the drums dropped. We are all like, ‘What?!’
“So when I understood that, I used to be ready to take that and run with it. I attempted to mainly make it as ‘New York Town, 1979’ as conceivable. I attempted to believe it was once a Speaking Heads music, or Liquid Liquid or ESG or one thing. I sought after to it to be like, ‘artwork college dance celebration’.
“I’d simply attempt to stay it as locked with that bassline as conceivable, and I attempted to just upload fills that supported the vocal association. That bridge that occurs, the like, dropped bridge within the center – I consider I simply began jamming it.
“Josh was once like, ‘That is dope. You will have to do this within the center.’ I believe we would already executed a take of the music so it was once truly an overly recent thought. It is roughly like a miracle that it came about and works. However once more, in case you had that overcooked, it will sound contrived. In order that bridge is every other particular position for me at the report.”
It sounds such as you had numerous freedom to experiment as a band. Do you assume self-producing In Occasions New Roman…at Purple Duck gave you that?
“Certainly. Plus, we were not consciously spending 1000’s of bucks an afternoon on a truly fancy studio the place Jay-Z’s within the different room or no matter. Or you recognize, you pressure up, and there is assistants on wage, bringing meals. It is a huge manufacturing, and it is this kind of huge expense to head do it in that means.
“But if we do it in our personal position it appears like going within the basement for band follow again within the ’90s. So there’s a freeing facet to doing it ourselves. We had Robert Stevenson engineering, and he is a just right buddy of ours, he is this kind of excitement to be round.
“So it was once truly simply us. If it wasn’t going down, we simply left and got here again when it was once, so it was once like an overly herbal means.”
Are there any songs from In Occasions New Roman…that you have not performed reside but that you are having a look ahead to enjoying?
“We performed Obscenery for the primary time final night time. I believe the one ones we’ve not performed up to now are Sicily and What the Peephole Say. It is humorous, usually you’re making a report and you select 4 or 5 of the new songs, however as a result of the best way this report got here down, lets play any of them.
“We have now been speaking about getting the opposite two in combination. The ones are the one two left and I believe we may even play them in this excursion. There is such a lot of data now, it is laborious. There is such a lot of songs! 10 songs from the new report manner we are most likely best enjoying 10 different songs.”
You’ve began enjoying Music For The Useless once more after a brief ruin. Clearly that’s a Dave Grohl section, however what’s it like enjoying this kind of widely recognized drum intro?
“Dude, are you fucking kidding?! It is fucking iconic, guy. Each and every time I simply get started the hi-hat. I am like, ‘Fuck yeah, that is gonna be…’ I will’t imagine I am getting to play this fucking music. You understand? That intro, for me it is one of the vital memorable drum intros of all time.
“The entire music…it is relentless! It simply helps to keep on going. There is such a lot of tremendous cool moments and hooks from the drums there. It is such a lot amusing to play. It sucks that it is final at all times, as a result of I am already fucking smoked by way of then and it is some of the tougher numbers to play, bodily.
“We gave it a relaxation, just about for the primary time since that report got here out. I believe it is been the final music of the set for twenty years. However it is all the time a fucking a dream to play, as a result of additionally it is a type of iconic Queens songs.
“In case you needed to make a gold report of Queens to shoot into area, that music would for sure be on it. It’s essential most likely simply put that music and it’d be positive.”
Have you ever spotted a distinction because it had a resurgence with viral social media posts?
“You understand, numerous instances other people ship me stuff like that, however I simply do not truly like to look at it. Do not get me unsuitable, I really like the web. I really like the socials, however I really like to have a look at mountains and browsing and child animals and my pals doing stuff.
“However there is this new factor, which is musicians simply enjoying by myself of their room, being superior at one thing for 15 seconds. It is tremendous spectacular, however it is simply…Perhaps this is because I am outdated and I’ve a child and every other one about to return, however I would like tune to be memorable.
“I would like it to be a music that elevates my spirit or that touches me or one thing that truly resonates. For essentially the most section, simply gazing a drummer or a guitar participant simply play every other music, that is nice. However that is what you do to your bed room or to your basement.
“So with all due recognize, as a result of there is such a lot of extremely proficient individuals who do this shit, I simply could not care much less. I’d fairly spend my time having a look at like, browsing or bikes or child seals or one thing.”
Once I introduced the Ludwigs into the room for the primary time, everybody was once like, ‘Holy sh*t!’
You’ve been enjoying Ludwig drums for some time now, and participated within the Vistalite’s fiftieth Anniversary promo final . What’s your present setup?
“I have all the time enjoyed Ludwig essentially the most, however I by no means had any new Ludwigs. I had some outdated ratty wooden Ludwig’s that would not rise up to any street use. Once I joined the band, I best had a antique Stainless Metal set of Ludwigs, that are nonetheless the sickest.
“I had the ones and a Fibes acrylic set. Josh was once like, ‘You will have to get some wooden drums.’ Any individual I knew was once like, ‘Oh, I do know the DW guys.’ So I were given some new DW’s, that are killer, however you recognize, I have all the time enjoyed Ludwigs.
“It was once nice to modify to wooden drums as I joined the band, however then once I were given the danger, I sought after to transport out of that, and I sought after to get some Vistalites. For me Vistalites are best Ludwigs, so I met the Ludwig man, Uli and I used to be like, ‘Dude, I all the time sought after to get a suite of Vistalites’ and he stated, ‘Name me anytime’.
“So, I respectfully advised the DW guys, you recognize, thanks such a lot for the whole lot. It is not you, it is me. From there, I sought after to check out a wooden set that had a truly laborious bearing edge and projected truly smartly. I hadn’t truly used wooden drums (except the DWs) for the reason that ’90s.
“I performed on a suite that my buddy had, that I believe had been Tama. They had been in order that huge, and so they projected and had been so crisp and transparent. I used to be like, ‘Guy, that is fantastic’. So I requested Uli, ‘Do you may have drums that sound like this?’ He got here to LA and arrange a complete shoot-out of drums. I sat down on those Vintage Maple drums and in an instant I used to be like, ‘Oh my god, that is like precisely…’ it was once like a revelation for me.
“So he was once type sufficient to make me some, and it is modified the whole lot for me. I were given a larger bass drum. I do not want any muffling on them, they are tuned huge open and they’re identical to, transparent and loud. They have got nice tone and so they undertaking truly smartly and and so they glance tremendous dope too.
“They are so just right, they are fucking superb. If truth be told, after I introduced them into the room for the primary time, everybody was once like, ‘Holy shit! What are the ones drums?’ I used to be like, ‘Yeah, I do know’.
“So yeah, that is my new setup. Ludwig, Vintage Maple. I am a purist, I identical to the vintage sizes. The kick drum is 24”x14”, rack tom is 13”x9”, then the ground toms are 16”x16” and 18”x16”. I’ve used a 14”x6.5” Supraphonic for years. However yeah, I am lovely just like, same old in the case of sizes and fabrics and stuff.
“Then I nonetheless have the Zildjian cymbals as a result of my buddy Kirsten all the time we could me flip in all of the damaged stuff and get no matter new stuff I would like! I do not just like the tremendous glossy ones, generally.
“I really like those which are just a little extra vintage, sonically and in addition visually so enjoying I am enjoying all Ks just about. After which the remainder of the stuff is identical. I am nonetheless enjoying Vic Firth sticks and Remo heads. The DW {hardware} nonetheless the most productive, so I am getting all that stuff from the ones guys as a result of they are type sufficient to nonetheless you recognize…communicate to me even if I do not use their drums anymore.
Do you may have electronics to your setup?
“We use Roland triggers at the at the drums to cause gates at entrance of space. So we do not cause any drum sounds, however we use them to regulate the gates. After which and the ones run during the Roland TM-6.
“Then I even have the the SPD-SX, as a result of there is a couple of songs the place I’ve samples like the ones strings swells in Toes Do not Fail Me Now. I’ve a 2nd pedal subsequent to my hi-hat, which I exploit for the claps in The Method You Used To Do.
“I used to be like, ‘Why do not we simply report a clap, and I’m going to play alongside?’ And Josh was once like, ‘Nope!’. I stated, ‘I will best play it with my left foot.’ and he is like, ‘Smartly do this then!’ It is so fucking laborious! So, I’ve to play a clap with my left foot at all times.
“Then infrequently, like in I am Fashion designer, there is the ones claps and I hit the ones on a pad. We haven’t any like sequences or click on tracks or the rest. There is not any pre-recorded monitor stuff. I simply have like little accents or different sounds that I hit.”
In any case, you’ve been within the band for as lengthy — or longer — than some other drummer. Does QOTSA really feel like house?
I am indubitably the most productive one, good enough? Let’s simply be transparent. I am indubitably the most productive. Simply enjoying! I don’t believe I have ever been in a band for 10 years. Come to consider it, I do not know if I have executed the rest for 10 years. Yeah, it appears like house, guy. Those guys are my brothers and my ideally suited pals, they’re the folk that I all the time wish to see and hang around with.
“Being a part of this, and gazing it develop, as we’ve advanced and being increasingly concerned within the advent of items, I believe very invested. I believe love it’s mine. I imply, I believe love it’s mine up to everyone else’s. [Laughing] It’s my band, good enough?”
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